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Subject: What has happend to halo? Once the best series ever by far...

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Posted by: Tegernako
Posted by: Tegernako


Posted by: Tegernako
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It's interesting that so many people claim to be fans of Halo, but make their demands for what the game should be, so narrow that it doesn't really seem to be a new game at all, but just another one with a number added on. A title does not make a new game. They want something new for multiplayer, but Armour abillities make thousands of people freak out, or they add set weapon starts and people scream inbalance. They want new weapons, but complain about the uselessness of vehicles because of them. They want innovation, but they yell that all bungie is doing is ripping from other games and stealing their ideas.

I mean, looking at the Feed-Back forum, and ignoring the legitimate complaints, and focusing instead of things, for example like Bloom when firing and weapon ranges you will notice that all the people complain about things that they never really had to deal with before. They seem to want Halo 3.2 or Halo: CE.1/2.


Something I find interesting is the role nostalgia plays in this. The same players will swear all to hell that their is no nostalgia, but I suspect part of what made the older games so special to them is because they were NEW. That seems like it should be self-evident, but I see a lot of people running on the assumption that the novelty they felt playing an earlier game can be recaptured simply by replicating the features in their entirety, and looking at those features as if they could all exist in their own world, rather then just as a gear in the machine making it all work.

It's also strange that these people will make contradictory demands: they want novelty and innovation, while simultaneously wanting nothing to actually change. If they liked all Assualt rifles in the past as starters, they want the new game to be exactly the same, but feel new and fresh as the day they first played the earlier games. Ignoring the fact that a new game can not possibly be the exact same as it was before.

Thats not to say people don't know what they like, just that alot of factors go into "what makes a new game" question, many of the emotional. You ask that question and you often get "What should Halo BE?
Halo does not have a set defintion as to what the game is. Look at Halo Wars, its halo isn't it? Is it an FPS? No. But some people -blam!-ed about it, because it WASN'T WHAT THEY WANTED IN HALO!

If someone can go out, and find me to official description of exactly makes up a Halo game. Weapon bloom, weapons, settings, all that. Please, go ahead. But you will fail because Halo does not have a defintion, it does not have to have the same things, it does not have to have Regenerating health, or Assualt rifle's that act like SMG's, it does not have to have a battle rifle, and it does not need to have Spartans and Elites exactly the same. You can not realisticly say Halo HAS to have ANYTHING THE SAME because if Halo: Reach was to simialr to Halo 3, what would everyone be complaining about? But its to different so its bad?

Speaking for myself, I think there's alot of room in the genre for the "Real Shooter" model. What they like is intelligent, and everything else is "dumbed down" and thus for the stupider, more casual, less competitive, not quite as good hoi polloi. And its strange, because I've seen people playing the beta who say, the game is harder, you have to pulse the trigger, you have to work together to get anything down, and that by themselves the AA's like AL seem to be useless. That seems to be the opposite of casual.

Idealy there would be room for Shooters to come that cover every spectrum of interests within the genre, and specifically for Halo. If the market is there, the industry will find it. I think what you often encounter is a fear amongst Halo fans that their isn't a big enough market for exactly what they wants, and yet a desire for that triple-A games should still be made for them regardless.

Perhaps instead of looking at the game in the same way you viewed it when playing Halo 3 or CE, you should view it for what it is...a new game in the Halo Universe. And remember that if a sequel is to succeed, it needs to change in some ways. You don't have to like it, and nobody is forcing you too. If you don't like the changes, then the game is not for you. That's fine, its your opinion.

Well the thing is Halo: Reach is nothing new

just copy & paste of new features from other poorly made games

  • 05.03.2010 4:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: DARTH KOSIK
I will agree, I am extremely disappointed in Reach. However, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily a bad game; it just isn't a Halo game. Expanding reticules, "Loadout" options, these things just aren't Halo features. I can understand wanting to push the game in a new direction, but not towards modern tactical shooters.

Yes, true... it may not be a bad game, but for a halo game, its a bad game

  • 05.03.2010 4:44 PM PDT
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Not to mention the freakin services don't work gaaaahhh

  • 05.03.2010 5:00 PM PDT
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Beta feedback..not whiny -blam!-ing

[Edited on 05.03.2010 5:04 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2010 5:03 PM PDT
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I agree with you, Bungie can do way better than this, why do they change this kinda stuff when they where already accepted by the people?

  • 05.03.2010 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: eFRaiinn
I agree with you, Bungie can do way better than this, why do they change this kinda stuff when they where already accepted by the people?

If Bungie listened to the people then you'd be playing a beta for Halo: CE - The Lost Levels.

It's called evolving. Something the Halo series has been in need of since Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST.

  • 05.03.2010 5:08 PM PDT
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ok first off reach is very important. it tells where and how everything started, it tells why master chief is supposedley thelast spartan left. this is a very im portant part to the halo series because there can never be an ending without a beginning, and remeber, the beta is MULTIPLAYER, it is for competitive fun, if you really want to dig into the real storyline of reach and how its important, PLAY THE CAMPAIGN

  • 05.03.2010 5:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Defiled83
Beta feedback..not whiny -blam!-ing

Here's some feedback:

Forget reach and start over

  • 05.04.2010 8:40 PM PDT
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Halo 3 is for noobs. Gg NoRe.

You obviously havn't read the books.

  • 05.04.2010 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: SiKe X
You obviously havn't read the books.

Actually I have.

And the story wasn't nearly as interesting as 'the flood'

There where also +5 other halo books. Why choose this one?

  • 05.04.2010 8:46 PM PDT
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Reach wasn't an important battle? Do you know ANYTHING about Reach? Like, the fact that's it's literally right next to Earth, was the second most populous human colony outisde of Earth, and that dozens of SPARTANs and millions of soldiers and civies were killed? It was practically the D-Day of the Human-Covenant War!

  • 05.04.2010 8:47 PM PDT
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Working for Davik was like driving a spike through the side of your head... Sure you get something new in there, but in the end, you've lost something as well. -Canderous Ordo

That's funny because I thought the story in Halo 3 was the most disgusting and pathetic excuse for a plot I've ever seen in a game and that their main ad of "This is the way the world ends" was a complete slap to the face lie to all the fans.

Hopefully in Reach we'll actually start see humanity being wiped out.

  • 05.04.2010 8:48 PM PDT
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Also AA are terrible

  • 05.20.2010 7:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grave Mind 789
The battle of reach is no where near as important as the fights on the rings:
lets see... saving the ENTIRE universe FROM FOREVER EXTERMINATION
or... saving human planet #10,429... and then failing

I mean seriously they base a entire game off of this?

If they didn't fight on Reach, the chief never would've gotten off of Reach alive. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Halo series.

  • 05.20.2010 8:06 PM PDT
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Wait for 343 to release Halo 4. You know, Chief floating towards that mystery planet? I'm sure that'll be the start of the sell out, and you'll be happy again.

Until then, I'd like a breath of fresh air and one more kickass campaign from the guys who know how to do it right.

I'll say it again - Halo 4 is your friend. We'll be back to Chiefing in no time. Until then, enjoy something different.

  • 05.20.2010 8:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grave Mind 789
RIP the once best series of all time. I use to be a huge fan of halo, it was my life. To see it become this, deeply saddens me. :(

Now, say hello to call of halo.


There's so many things with this game I'm not going to waste my time to explain. 1000 other threads have already done that.

What has happened to bungie? They use to make ingenious ideas, like high jacking, recharging health, the br.
This game seriously feels like its been made by a group of 12 year old ADD kids.

But I knew from day one Halo: Reach would be fail. What is a Halo game with a HALO??? A: Insta Fail.

The battle of reach is no where near as important as the fights on the rings:
lets see... saving the ENTIRE universe FROM FOREVER EXTERMINATION
or... saving human planet #10,429... and then failing

I mean seriously they base a entire game off of this?


Original bungie crew left after Halo: CE.. then Halo 2 happened.. that's when it started going down hill.

  • 05.20.2010 8:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: NintenToad64
Wait for 343 to release Halo 4. You know, Chief floating towards that mystery planet? I'm sure that'll be the start of the sell out, and you'll be happy again.

Until then, I'd like a breath of fresh air and one more kickass campaign from the guys who know how to do it right.

I'll say it again - Halo 4 is your friend. We'll be back to Chiefing in no time. Until then, enjoy something different.



The guys who knew how to do it right left after Halo: CE.

  • 05.20.2010 8:57 PM PDT
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  • 05.20.2010 9:23 PM PDT
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Look at all the blind bungie fanboys rage.

  • 05.20.2010 10:41 PM PDT
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