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Subject: This isn't Halo.

Posted by: Fantomfox64
Posted by: bdaballa
Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
I have been playing Halo since it came out, SINCE IT CAME OUT. So why should I have to adapt to something that I have been playing for a big chunk of my life?

Say you are an African Tree Frog. You have been living in the Congo all your life. Then out of nowhere some corporation comes and destroys the rain forest you live in. You now live a desolate wasteland that was once your home. The Tree Frog can not just "adapt" to it's new environment, it will die.


Oversimplification FTW. Your argument is filled with the typical fallacies of olde. First you assume Alot and attempt to setup a situation where what you are trying to prove is hidden within the proof of your argument. Why can the tree frog not adapt? Are there other organisms that have live in the rainforest and are now able to thrive because of alteration. Ex.: There are these moths that have camo that keeps them from getting eatin by birds the majority that survived had a lighter white color to them. After heavy industrialization the color of the bark became dark and suddenly there was and explosion in the population of this moth and they now had dark camo. The ones with dark camo had always been around they were just getting eaten. So point of the story

YOU CAN'T SAY TREEFROGS WON'T ADAPT AND THEN DIE... ALL YOU CAN SAY IS IT WILL EITHER ADAPT OR DIE. FOOL


while certainly animals can adapt, I think that in this case the frog wouldn't make it.

Besides, the real fallacy of logic is that he assumes that the frog is in the desert. He over-exaggerates, as Reach is more akin to a forest that gets fairy high rain (not a rainforest) than a desert


You sir are correct, I thought about pointing out the desert thing but with how long-winded my explanation already was... hmmm idk didn't think I could pull it off.

  • 05.06.2010 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: NOMNOMNOMNOM
Posted by: THE RUSSIAN Snp
It's a beta, things will change.

gtfo troll.


Do you not know what a beta is?

A beta is to fix bugs and glitches.

AA and Reticule Bloom aren't bugs or glitches. It was put in on purpose to stay, and unfortunately probably will.

And why am I not surprised that someone with under 4,000 games of Halo 3 and a 0.91 K/D ratio likes the beta?

You can't play the same game for 10 years
Change it's good live with it

  • 05.06.2010 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
Posted by: bdaballa
Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
I have been playing Halo since it came out, SINCE IT CAME OUT. So why should I have to adapt to something that I have been playing for a big chunk of my life?

Say you are an African Tree Frog. You have been living in the Congo all your life. Then out of nowhere some corporation comes and destroys the rain forest you live in. You now live a desolate wasteland that was once your home. The Tree Frog can not just "adapt" to it's new environment, it will die.


Oversimplification FTW. Your argument is filled with the typical fallacies of olde. First you assume Alot and attempt to setup a situation where what you are trying to prove is hidden within the proof of your argument. Why can the tree frog not adapt? Are there other organisms that have live in the rainforest and are now able to thrive because of alteration. Ex.: There are these moths that have camo that keeps them from getting eatin by birds the majority that survived had a lighter white color to them. After heavy industrialization the color of the bark became dark and suddenly there was and explosion in the population of this moth and they now had dark camo. The ones with dark camo had always been around they were just getting eaten. So point of the story

YOU CAN'T SAY TREEFROGS WON'T ADAPT AND THEN DIE... ALL YOU CAN SAY IS IT WILL EITHER ADAPT OR DIE. FOOL


I didn't see it like that, thanks for shedding some light on the situation.

What they did you Halo is like taking Mushrooms from Mario.


Darn you now I feel like I have to apologize for calling you a fool. Sorry about that. But now you have to explain how its like removing the mushroom from mario. I understand what yo are getting at, but where is the core "Haloness" that they have removed?

  • 05.06.2010 3:37 PM PDT
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You couldn't be more correct, I agree with you 100%

  • 05.06.2010 3:37 PM PDT
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i completely agree with you this isnt halo i like the sprint and roll but other then that simply put this blows im thinking about going in and canccling my preorder if its possibe i dont even care if they keep my money as long as they give me something more like halo and this is comming from a halo fan boy iv loved halo sence halo 1 and it maynot show up on this acc but iv had at least 7 plus diffrent acc ever sence halo 2 that my friend got me into and i took and worked hard to buy my xbxo just for halo halo was simply amazing and this is not halo its more like star wars -blam!- battle front franchise were the -blam!- did my halo go bun gie this is a insult to your own -blam!- frachise wtf looks like i might as well give up on bungies halo reach and also for those who comment on this screw off because you dnt know anything and your prolly a newb who likes aromr lock and jet packs and como on the go because then you can hide from true 50s like a coward and sneack up on them were did the -blam!- skill go to play halo were if you was a 50 it ment something tell me that -blam!- bungie what the hell is this frachise comming to you have pissed off alot of people probly half of all of your halo frachise fans this is a disapoint ment and iv played reach sence it came out im use to it im a warrent officer almost grade 2 and i think it blows dick

  • 05.06.2010 3:38 PM PDT
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"THE BEST" Says 'News Of The World'
"AMAZING" Says 'The Sun'

100% agree with the second guy even if he can't spell [u]he[/] *the lol. Your right, NR rules you guys just suck at HALO!

  • 05.06.2010 3:38 PM PDT
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Dust it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fantomfox64
The problem is that there are certain types of fanboys to a series. There are people that blindly follow the series, and buy any game in it without hesitation, and then you get guys like the OP.

They absolutely hate change. And while the games they adore are still good, they just don't want it to change. Ever.

If they ran the video game business, we would still have pac-man but with better graphics. Because any time a person would try to build on the game or expand on it, they would get shot down for trying to break the mold, and not sticking with the tried and true.

If it isn't broken, don't fix it, right? Well, unfortunately, that is how almost every technological advance we have made has come around. People who weren't content with what was already out came up with many of the conveniences we have today.

Also, this group I've mentioned is the hardest to change their mind. It is just better to blast their arguements right out of the water to show how they (might) be wrong


When you say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I see it as, keep what works, but take out what doesn't, Work on what doesn't. Then add new features that don't mess up the core that made it work. BUT NEVER TAKE OUT WHAT WORKS, expand upon it but never take it out.

  • 05.06.2010 3:38 PM PDT
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well, bungie is just trying to make the game funner than halo 3.
after spawning on h3 with nothing to choose from, nothing
exciting, i can now spawn with "STALKER" or "GUARD".
as long as it has shields, a extreme pro weapon, and
new stuff, its halo buddy.

  • 05.06.2010 3:40 PM PDT
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A Halo 2 Noob

nice rainforest metaphor, lol. but no, i'm still a RAPIST at reach, just don't like it, and not because i think of h2 as a habitat, you just sound lame, lol. simply because(and if you take a national or even global survey, I guarantee i'm not the only one) I think it sucks, the weapons/loadouts are terribly balanced, the dmr is an awful successor to the BR(bring on the "oh you're just not happy that it takes more skill and accuracy and you must suck noob). But, you're wrong again, I am also stunning with the DMR, call me old(e) fashioned but I just simply like the older HALO-style gameplay, where the other players aren't running around with briefcases loaded with either flight,(what mancannons and banshees were for) an impenetrable shield(overshield?), invisibility(active camo?) or sprint(simply call of duty). Bungie has taken the time-controlled power ups out of the game and has essentially given the noobs the power to camp like the juggernaut they always wanted to be in the other halos. They've taken the skill out of timing power up spawns, or fighting for them. How is this in any way, shape or form competitive? Only competition for me is holding myself back from Randy Johnson'ing my controller through my tv when I'm chasing a guy down DMR'ing him, CLEAR-AS-DAY headshots and just and he's about to fall, *PUNCH THE GROUND* invulnerable, then I am killed by a pineapple-sized mini-nuke frag grenade...cool. So if I'm a noob for playing this game for the thrill of watching the guy I'm going to kill actually die like he should, then so be it. The games a joke. Regardless of what you say. Just waiting for the sleu of "you suck at halo" put-downs you have to offer.

  • 05.06.2010 3:41 PM PDT
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I feel that the beta thusfar has noob friendly games a lot, and bungies default maps are usually noob friendly as well. It is my hope that once we get all the playlists and all the maps, we can better avoid noob setups.

How often do you play Pit Stop vs Default PIT in H3? Default is onlt in social. and skilled players know you never go into social unless you wanna play noobs and 12 year olds that will betray you for your shotgun.

I think reach will be much the same.

That being said, I think sprint and jetpack should stay, but I think they should have Camo and Oversheild be pick ups, like in H3. that way it is part of map control just the same as in H3, just the same as timing snipe or rockets, etc...

  • 05.06.2010 3:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: ReZ oR ecT
i completely agree with you this isnt halo i like the sprint and roll but other then that simply put this blows im thinking about going in and canccling my preorder if its possibe i dont even care if they keep my money as long as they give me something more like halo and this is comming from a halo fan boy iv loved halo sence halo 1 and it maynot show up on this acc but iv had at least 7 plus diffrent acc ever sence halo 2 that my friend got me into and i took and worked hard to buy my xbxo just for halo halo was simply amazing and this is not halo its more like star wars -blam!- battle front franchise were the -blam!- did my halo go bun gie this is a insult to your own -blam!- frachise wtf looks like i might as well give up on bungies halo reach and also for those who comment on this screw off because you dnt know anything and your prolly a newb who likes aromr lock and jet packs and como on the go because then you can hide from true 50s like a coward and sneack up on them were did the -blam!- skill go to play halo were if you was a 50 it ment something tell me that -blam!- bungie what the hell is this frachise comming to you have pissed off alot of people probly half of all of your halo frachise fans this is a disapoint ment and iv played reach sence it came out im use to it im a warrent officer almost grade 2 and i think it blows dick


Uuuh... what?

If you're going to make a lot of slams, please put some paragraphs into your comment so that I can actually read it. This is just a giant conglomeration that I can't read, and thus can't shoot down.

  • 05.06.2010 3:41 PM PDT
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Out of interest I looked at the op's stats yes he is a level 50 this is true but i am interested in how you could be a level 50 and not have and acheivments unlocked for halo 3. It just could be a webpage glich but I still think its odd. Here is what I see.

nomnomnomnomnom aka forsty bite
http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/achievements.aspx?player=Th a FRoSTy BiTe

  • 05.06.2010 3:43 PM PDT
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Its good to see that there are still people out there who appreciate that what was 4 me the greatest online game to date. halo reach is the biggest pile of crap iv ever played, they need to make some serious changes to this game 4 it to be even remotely enjoyable, seriously who wants to shoots sum 1 for what seems an eternity only 4 them to use the most pathetic perk ever created(guard), in a game where u dnt have time to stand around an wait 5 seconds for them to come out of it, even more so now they created another stupid perk (jetpacks), dear lord Bungie why why???????? And the most shocking thing 4 me besides the piss poor weapons is they have taken away probably the best aspect of the game, the BR, I dnt get it, why would you take away the greatest weapon and replace it with something that feels terrible??????. Bungie if ever you read my words of deep rooted sadness at what can only be described as the pure butchery of my FAVOURITE GAME EVER (HALO3) then heed these words otherwise it really wnt sell believe me, everybody i know hates it at the moment. CHANGE IT.

  • 05.06.2010 3:43 PM PDT
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Wheres Meh Sniper?

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The weapons, Reach is based before CE, so honestly you can't complain about them.. they would be weaker in all reality. With the shields that are also weaker, they match each other.

For everything else, Bungie said before anything else.. Reach is going to be a much more tactical game. You can't rush and expect to survive. You're right this game doesn't fit with the whole "Super Human Soldiers" who tear up anything and everything in their path. This is Reach.

  • 05.06.2010 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: ReZ oR ecT
i completely agree with you this isnt halo i like the sprint and roll but other then that simply put this blows im thinking about going in and canccling my preorder if its possibe i dont even care if they keep my money as long as they give me something more like halo and this is comming from a halo fan boy iv loved halo sence halo 1 and it maynot show up on this acc but iv had at least 7 plus diffrent acc ever sence halo 2 that my friend got me into and i took and worked hard to buy my xbxo just for halo halo was simply amazing and this is not halo its more like star wars -blam!- battle front franchise were the -blam!- did my halo go bun gie this is a insult to your own -blam!- frachise wtf looks like i might as well give up on bungies halo reach and also for those who comment on this screw off because you dnt know anything and your prolly a newb who likes aromr lock and jet packs and como on the go because then you can hide from true 50s like a coward and sneack up on them were did the -blam!- skill go to play halo were if you was a 50 it ment something tell me that -blam!- bungie what the hell is this frachise comming to you have pissed off alot of people probly half of all of your halo frachise fans this is a disapoint ment and iv played reach sence it came out im use to it im a warrent officer almost grade 2 and i think it blows dick


If a true "fitty" is as ignorant and foolhardy as you I'm glad that I and my associates are not counted among them. Also your grammar is atrocious<----- you probably do not know what that means so -------> your grammar aint worth a dime bag in queens and Poe thinks it blows dick even mark Twain said that ish is weak son step off. Oh yeah shakespeare was crackin wise on yo mama. in iambic pentameter of course.

[Edited on 05.06.2010 3:45 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 3:44 PM PDT
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Three square meals and Halo 3!

Why is it not surprizing that my favorite gametypes all have "pro" before them (except SWAT)?

...

They are the most like Halo 3...

  • 05.06.2010 3:45 PM PDT
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A Halo 2 Noob

dude. this is to the beta sucks...i love your username. lol. you are my hero.

  • 05.06.2010 3:45 PM PDT
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Dust it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bdaballa
Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
Posted by: bdaballa
Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
I have been playing Halo since it came out, SINCE IT CAME OUT. So why should I have to adapt to something that I have been playing for a big chunk of my life?

Say you are an African Tree Frog. You have been living in the Congo all your life. Then out of nowhere some corporation comes and destroys the rain forest you live in. You now live a desolate wasteland that was once your home. The Tree Frog can not just "adapt" to it's new environment, it will die.


Oversimplification FTW. Your argument is filled with the typical fallacies of olde. First you assume Alot and attempt to setup a situation where what you are trying to prove is hidden within the proof of your argument. Why can the tree frog not adapt? Are there other organisms that have live in the rainforest and are now able to thrive because of alteration. Ex.: There are these moths that have camo that keeps them from getting eatin by birds the majority that survived had a lighter white color to them. After heavy industrialization the color of the bark became dark and suddenly there was and explosion in the population of this moth and they now had dark camo. The ones with dark camo had always been around they were just getting eaten. So point of the story

YOU CAN'T SAY TREEFROGS WON'T ADAPT AND THEN DIE... ALL YOU CAN SAY IS IT WILL EITHER ADAPT OR DIE. FOOL


I didn't see it like that, thanks for shedding some light on the situation.

What they did you Halo is like taking Mushrooms from Mario.


Darn you now I feel like I have to apologize for calling you a fool. Sorry about that. But now you have to explain how its like removing the mushroom from mario. I understand what yo are getting at, but where is the core "Haloness" that they have removed?


It's all good.

Halo to me was suppose to be arcadey, not realistic, You are able to do the impossible. For an example of impossible: like shooting more accurate than anything even though you are moving, or killing multiple guys with one clip, or jumping high and moving fast.

But people complain that it isn't fair that others can do that when they don't take the time to learn. If someone out BRs you, how isn't that fair, if you could have done it also with just some practice?

What they should have done, instead of taking core elements out of Halo, is to make a more indepth matchmaking system to pair you up with your playstyle and not skill or rank

  • 05.06.2010 3:45 PM PDT
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If one man can make a difference, his team can change the world. --John A51--

Get back under your bridge you F***ing troll.

  • 05.06.2010 3:45 PM PDT
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A Halo 2 Noob

i'm so glad that guys name is the beta sucks lol. that is so legit, a true hero. My hero lol (no -blam!-)

  • 05.06.2010 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: MEE TORR IS BACK
Posted by: Fantomfox64
The problem is that there are certain types of fanboys to a series. There are people that blindly follow the series, and buy any game in it without hesitation, and then you get guys like the OP.

They absolutely hate change. And while the games they adore are still good, they just don't want it to change. Ever.

If they ran the video game business, we would still have pac-man but with better graphics. Because any time a person would try to build on the game or expand on it, they would get shot down for trying to break the mold, and not sticking with the tried and true.

If it isn't broken, don't fix it, right? Well, unfortunately, that is how almost every technological advance we have made has come around. People who weren't content with what was already out came up with many of the conveniences we have today.

Also, this group I've mentioned is the hardest to change their mind. It is just better to blast their arguements right out of the water to show how they (might) be wrong


When you say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I see it as, keep what works, but take out what doesn't, Work on what doesn't. Then add new features that don't mess up the core that made it work. BUT NEVER TAKE OUT WHAT WORKS, expand upon it but never take it out.


pray, please do tell me what it is that works so much. Most of the problems I've read and experienced with the game are very, very easy to fix, and even some of the AA's an be fixed easily as well. I stand strong for AA's, as even though they add a boost to each player, it just mixes up the games a lot.

Everyone slams on the jetpack, but it is fun to use it to introduce the 3d battle effect, instead of everyone on the same plane. While it is n00b friendly to just fly high in the sky and throw nades, this can be changed by reducing the power/length of the jetpack.

I already know grenades are overpowered, as I died once with FULL HEALTH and GREATER THAN 75% SHIELDS and died with ONE GRENADE, but that is easy to fix. I haven't played CE, or H2, but it seemed to me that H3 grenades were just perfect

  • 05.06.2010 3:47 PM PDT
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i have been playing halo since 2004, i can honstly say this game is a pile of -blam!- on top of a -blam!- mountain, nothing is balanced, armor lock can leave, i was fine with bubble shields, camo, Overshields, and gravlifts, the only thing that is decent is the graphics everything else needs to go back to halo CE becuase you are right no skill required and here are some scenarios.
1)you shoot a guy he flys away and chucks 2 nades at you and youre dead
2) you run mele someone they mele you chuck a nade and you die
3) youre chasing someone they hide put on camo and assassinate you
4) oddball people hide behind a wall with it and beat you down while the other and chucking millions of nades into the room

i say camo as armor ability looked good before i player now it needs to go. i have been fantasizing over this beta for a while and now after i did i wanna chuck my xbox out th window becuase its a humoungas pile of -blam!-.

  • 05.06.2010 3:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: the beta sucks
Its good to see that there are still people out there who appreciate that what was 4 me the greatest online game to date. halo reach is the biggest pile of crap iv ever played, they need to make some serious changes to this game 4 it to be even remotely enjoyable, seriously who wants to shoots sum 1 for what seems an eternity only 4 them to use the most pathetic perk ever created(guard), in a game where u dnt have time to stand around an wait 5 seconds for them to come out of it, even more so now they created another stupid perk (jetpacks), dear lord Bungie why why???????? And the most shocking thing 4 me besides the piss poor weapons is they have taken away probably the best aspect of the game, the BR, I dnt get it, why would you take away the greatest weapon and replace it with something that feels terrible??????. Bungie if ever you read my words of deep rooted sadness at what can only be described as the pure butchery of my FAVOURITE GAME EVER (HALO3) then heed these words otherwise it really wnt sell believe me, everybody i know hates it at the moment. CHANGE IT.


^^^^Can people be reported for blatant ignorance or is there some kind of filter I can put on my forum settings?^^^^^

  • 05.06.2010 3:47 PM PDT
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Dust it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sethrocent07
nice rainforest metaphor, lol. but no, i'm still a RAPIST at reach, just don't like it, and not because i think of h2 as a habitat, you just sound lame, lol. simply because(and if you take a national or even global survey, I guarantee i'm not the only one) I think it sucks, the weapons/loadouts are terribly balanced, the dmr is an awful successor to the BR(bring on the "oh you're just not happy that it takes more skill and accuracy and you must suck noob). But, you're wrong again, I am also stunning with the DMR, call me old(e) fashioned but I just simply like the older HALO-style gameplay, where the other players aren't running around with briefcases loaded with either flight,(what mancannons and banshees were for) an impenetrable shield(overshield?), invisibility(active camo?) or sprint(simply call of duty). Bungie has taken the time-controlled power ups out of the game and has essentially given the noobs the power to camp like the juggernaut they always wanted to be in the other halos. They've taken the skill out of timing power up spawns, or fighting for them. How is this in any way, shape or form competitive? Only competition for me is holding myself back from Randy Johnson'ing my controller through my tv when I'm chasing a guy down DMR'ing him, CLEAR-AS-DAY headshots and just and he's about to fall, *PUNCH THE GROUND* invulnerable, then I am killed by a pineapple-sized mini-nuke frag grenade...cool. So if I'm a noob for playing this game for the thrill of watching the guy I'm going to kill actually die like he should, then so be it. The games a joke. Regardless of what you say. Just waiting for the sleu of "you suck at halo" put-downs you have to offer.


I never said I was good or bad at the game, skill has nothing to do with it. It is how different the game is.

And please use paragraphs, your brick of code is -blam!- hard to decipher.

  • 05.06.2010 3:47 PM PDT
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This is Halo, just changed, reinvented, and I for one like it. If you want the same experience as halo 2 or halo 3, THEN GO PLAY HALO 2 or HALO 3. Bungie is not just going to make another Halo 3, thats useless. I expected a good deal of change and thats what I got, Bungie needed to go all out on their last game and they have delivered.

  • 05.06.2010 3:48 PM PDT
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