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Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now.

Past is gone, what has changed since the past.

Population growth... That means new members, everywhere!

  • 08.12.2008 5:23 PM PDT

This is my new account. Just fancied a name change, nothing more.

Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now.Not having member titles isn't a problem. Giving them, and then taking them away would cause a fuss.

  • 08.12.2008 5:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now. I say we get rid of all the rules. That way there are no rules to break!

...

  • 08.12.2008 5:26 PM PDT

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I like the titles. Everyday I sign back on it's like a lottery. Will I be Heroic, or Legendary....or maybe even for a day or two Mythic. Will people actually care to hear about what I say today or will my post be skipped over. It's like a game.

  • 08.12.2008 5:29 PM PDT

This is my new account. Just fancied a name change, nothing more.

Posted by: Qbix89
Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now. I say we get rid of all the rules. That way there are no rules to break!

...Getting rid of the members would be easier and more effective. Then Achronos can talk to himself in a nice, clean forum.

EDIT: Well, cleaner forum...

[Edited on 08.12.2008 5:31 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 5:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Qbix89
Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now. I say we get rid of all the rules. That way there are no rules to break!

...
Titles aren't rules.

Titles are like a boss who doesn't watch his employees, but simply rewards them based on the amount of papers in his inbox from them. He doesn't care what's on them as long as it doesn't break company policy, in which case they are given a suspension and lose some of their reward.

Quality of work isn't measured, nor is commitment, attitude, or anything even remotely related to trust except, I suppose, join date. I don't see how that's useful.

Posted by: The jeffers
Not having member titles isn't a problem. Giving them, and then taking them away would cause a fuss.
This already happens now.

[Edited on 08.12.2008 5:32 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 5:31 PM PDT

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I think should be more of a ranking system, we have exp in halo3 , why not bungie.net???

  • 08.12.2008 5:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: sloppysnoopy
I think should be more of a ranking system, we have exp in halo3 , why not bungie.net???

As seen in halo 3. People like to exploit "ranking systems."

  • 08.12.2008 5:35 PM PDT

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That was the most un-explained and mabey the shortest post I've ever seen Achronos make :o

I would really want to know why...

  • 08.12.2008 5:37 PM PDT
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How goes ?

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i'm curious as to why no one suggested to get rid of the Colors instead of the titles, because if anything it's not the titles that cach ones eye but the above mentioned.

  • 08.12.2008 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Qbix89
Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: ArchAssain
So with out the title system what kind of damage could possible occur?

You do realize how long this site has thrived without member titles, right? It's not like anarchy broke out then. And it's not like people don't break the rules now. I say we get rid of all the rules. That way there are no rules to break!

...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the titles were implemented as a tool for the mods and admins.

If it has a secondary effect of fewer people acting like asses, then I dont have aproblem with it.

Besides, anyone who has been here for awhile knows who they can relate to and who is full of -blam!-.

  • 08.12.2008 5:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: twinkiemaker
Besides, anyone who has been here for awhile knows who they can relate to and who is full of -blam!-.
I've never noticed that.

  • 08.12.2008 5:41 PM PDT

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That wouldn't be to bad of an idea, Cavx suggested it to me via PM.
Someone suggested it should be like the Halo 3 ranks, I don't think that would be better then titles.

~Hawk

  • 08.12.2008 5:42 PM PDT

Hawkeye, I've read alot of your posts and i must admit, i pay more attention to them because of your name, and i pay alot less attention to most legendaries and mythics and heroics, so this is not to imply that the ranking system decides whose posts i read.

I would just like to point out the being blacklisted means you did something wrong, right? so why is the trust system being focused on not being blacklisted a bad thing? if you have done something wrong, then you have to have been an active member for a much longer time to get a title, if you haven't done something wrong, then you have a good title, people will see your post and say, "hey, this guy isn't enough of an idiot to break the rules, let's look at his post because it probably is coherent and on topic." I mean, if you are incoherent or off topic, then you are probably gettin reported, and if you are getting reported, you probably wil lose whatever title you used to have, right? So the titles do work, and the fact that they are focused on length of membership and a clean record isn't a problem...

If you messed up alot, then decided to straighten up, good for you, and I'm sorry that your title won't reflect that for a LONG time, but you did mess up, so that's it. If you haven't messed up, it's easier for you to get a better title, more respect, more status.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!!! What do you think a permanent record does?

  • 08.12.2008 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543
Any thoughts Achronos?
What bothers me is the seemingly willy nilly way people get Heroic titles. I was posting for over a year before I got Heroic. The next day it was gone and I was never banned. I asked Achronos why he told me this; "But who cares? It is just a title. Asking about it means you're missing the point." I can understand that answer. Then that day it was back. It still comes and goes. C'est le vie. .

Then a couple months ago we all saw people who were only registered for a month a week even two days. Become Heroic members. That devalued this whole thing. Then as you will remember the out cry from these members was amazing. When their Heroic titles were gone.
Now I`m still hearing from people who have a lot less time on these forums than me.
Asking since they don`t post that much why do they get the Heroic titles. I just think it should be a little more consistent....

  • 08.12.2008 5:53 PM PDT

Posted by: cheeseman094
-Blam!- dude, I got some serious rusty water from the pork...

*As we were leaving a resteraunt in Hawaii. Imagine the look on the peoples faces who were going in*

0_o

I recently lost my Heroic status...:(

  • 08.12.2008 5:58 PM PDT

Average Joe
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Professional Hog Downer, and Jitterbug specialist.

Like a Karma button? Not a bad idea, but that would be very hard for the moderators to manage. Moderators can't always be online, and they won't always be able to reward good behavior. When moderators are online they seem busy, that's why a lot of them lost there posting habits(Not the only reason, but part of it).

~Hawk
Posted by: Deathcon 5
I think the titles are a good thing, if you want a higher rank, be more active, etc... Although it could be changed a little, where post count is weighted less. A button for mods, etc.. could be added if you post was informative. For example, take Duardo's explanation of member titles thread, Once a Mod saw it, they would press the button, which would have the opposite of the report button. This could be expanded to members as well, being able to say this is a good thread, the opposite of the report button. The "Good Thread" Queue could be visible to mods, just like the Report Queue.

  • 08.12.2008 6:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: DreadRex64
I recently lost my Heroic status...:(

At least you still have "Member." Who knows whats below that..

That would be the most important part of any status, the part about being a "member".

[Edited on 08.12.2008 6:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 6:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: permit2kill
If they bother you, CAVX has a fix.
Hiding them does not stop them existing. The titles were supposed to provide an element of worth to accounts, but they don't and they were supposed to provide an incentive to report, but they haven't. Providing them with some worth, such as changing the to the path to personalisation and making the methods of progression (i.e. reporting) more well known would go a long long way to making the system useful.
Yeah it's true, it hides them and doesn't change a damn thing.

But it's quite obvious chatting in the Septagon about how we think the site should be run doesn't get us anywhere. They're staying, and I doubt they're changing. So rather than complain about them being useless or wanting them removed, fix it yourself.

How in the hell are they bothering you when you remove them?

  • 08.12.2008 6:05 PM PDT

#moap

Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Your argument, sir, it bowls me to the ground with its infallible reasoning.

edit @ below (ok yeah those were pretty good arguments :P)

[Edited on 08.12.2008 6:25 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 6:19 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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1) Saying the trust number only takes into account quantity and no quality metrics is not accurate.

2) The trust number (and the titles) are a fairly accurate predictor of conduct, despite your statements that they mean nothing. This suggests that they are useful to at least some degree.

3) Even as I say that, people who say "they're not useful" miss the entire point. They're not meant to be useful. They're not even really positive reinforcement, although that is a secondary effect. Like most things we do, their primary design goal is "fun". I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of people like to get little vanity rewards for stuff they're likely to do anyway (see Xbox Live acheivements as an example). The reward (in this case, a title) is utterly meaningless (even though the number powering it is useful), but as getting it requires "continuous positive contributions to the community" - something we'd like to see people do, well, that's a bonus for us. People who like little vanity rewards get something, we get something, and the community benefits.

Wondering at their usefulness is like demanding to know what Gamerscore is good for. Both questions completely miss the point. As do people who PM me asking why their title changed - who will not get any answer from me.

Posted by: CAVX
Titles aren't rules.

Titles are like a boss who doesn't watch his employees, but simply rewards them based on the amount of papers in his inbox from them. He doesn't care what's on them as long as it doesn't break company policy, in which case they are given a suspension and lose some of their reward.

Quality of work isn't measured, nor is commitment, attitude, or anything even remotely related to trust except, I suppose, join date. I don't see how that's useful.

  • 08.12.2008 6:24 PM PDT

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Once they take it away people will complain about that too. They have to consider which is the better choice: 50% complaing vs. 25% complaing. Either way people will voice thier displeasure. Cant please everybody especially with a community this large.

  • 08.12.2008 6:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Even as I say that, people who say "they're not useful" miss the entire point. They're not meant to be useful. They're not even really positive reinforcement, although that is a secondary effect. Like most things we do, their primary design goal is "fun". I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of people like to get little vanity rewards for stuff they're likely to do anyway (see Xbox Live acheivements as an example). The reward (in this case, a title) is utterly meaningless (even though the number powering it is useful), but as getting it requires "continuous positive contributions to the community" - something we'd like to see people do, well, that's a bonus for us. People who like little vanity rewards get something, we get something, and the community benefits.
Fair enough I guess.

  • 08.12.2008 6:27 PM PDT

#moap

Posted by: Achronos
...The reward (in this case, a title) is utterly meaningless..., but as getting it requires "continuous positive contributions to the community" - something we'd like to see people do,...
Seeing as you like to see people do the things that earn them progression, wouldnt it make more sense to remove the shroud of secrecy that's surrounded the system since its birth? I mean, is there actually a problem with people abusing a system for advancement when the "abuse" is a "continuous positive contribution"?

  • 08.12.2008 6:29 PM PDT

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  • 08.12.2008 6:49 PM PDT

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